we got it to work
sounds good, but we'll see how it plays out. if the government can run the military, they can run health care.
@twigby: are the propaganda infomercials running here not true? That you have to wait for care, that you can't get tests run, etc?
@hotrod: At what cost though? I was listening to obama talk about it in the press conference and a direct quote was "people are gonna have to stop paying for things that don't make them healthier.." So, does that mean I don't have the right to smoke anymore? He's a smoker, is he gonna be forced to quit? No.. because his heath care is paid for by tax dollars...
i'd be wrong in saying Canada's universal health care is "perfect" but in all honesty, the wait times of "months" is usually an issue with surgery requiring specialst and it has more to do with the fact that both equipment and labor wise Canada just isn't up to snuff with the US sad truth as it is, as much as the structure of universal health care. And even then it's not usually the "months on end" touted by the propaganda.
Emergencies (like say breaking your arm) and family doctors, the stuff most people would be affected by, there's little to no wait time.
@twigby: I don't have health care.. I havent in nearly two years. I've had two issues that required medical attention and both I was able to self pay (under 300 each time)... if I come up with a brain tumor, or cancer, or something serious.. that's the time when I would need to rely on universal healthcare.. so it seems to me that if you can't fix the major problems, what's the point? I can afford a bandaid.. I can't afford surgery.
i've had health issues for the last couple of years. and i've been paying for it. i still have a bill from 2 year ago from going to the urgent care that i still have to pay off. my insurance didn't cover it at all. years ago in college, i went to the emergency room and my insurance then didn't cover it.
so far, i'm not a fan.
@beccah so you should in favor of universal health care, because it's better to possibly wait a few weeks for something like chemo rather than not being able to afford it at all, amirite?
my thoughts on this depend on one thing and one thing only
when you turn 25. . . .are you kicked off the family insurance and have to buy your own???
Given that medicare, in spite of fraud, is still the most efficient health insurance system in the country, I call bullshit on the claims that the government can't do it efficiently.
Every single argument I've read against reforming American health care has been a fabrication of half-truths and lies.
I've heard that it can currently cost around $1500 to get a cast and crutch if you break a leg. That costs $15 here, and you'll get physiotherapy covered by provincial health insurance. And it's true, most of the extended wait times are for people who need complicated procedures. When I had kidney stones, they got me into surgery that evening.
I think all of the people rabbling about more government and paying taxes for other people's problems are all completely nuts. Which would you rather have: having to decide between eating, having a place to live, and being able to pay bills or getting a cancer treatment, or not having to make that decision and getting cancer treatment?
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