please vote for your favorite snag-the-anthropologist strategy.
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plan a) make up an excuse that i have to be at my apt after all and can we just get the sandwiches takeout and have dinner here.
i thought of a very plausible excuse: my soon-to-be-sublettor (yes, the one i added to the list last week, but let's not go there, shall we?) has to bring some stuff over to my apt and i have to be home to let him in.
pros:
1. sounds plausible
2. ups the ante such that if he has somehow actively decided he *doesn't* want to sleep with me he will just say no and that will be clear.
in any case, the activity is already set and it involves eating pastrami at katz's delicatessen. sooooo sexy, i know.
cons:
ups the ante such that if he has somehow actively decided he *doesn't* want to sleep with me he will just say no and that will be clear.
----> rejection.
rejection sooner rather than later.
do i want that?
cons:
2. what if he suggests just having my sublettor call me on my cell WHICH I NOW HAVE (GODDAMMIT!) since katz's is basically up the street from my apt.
this, i fear, really may ruin the whole plan.
but i should give you plan b), which is to invite him back to my apt for homemade honey cake (made not by me, of course, but by the lovely and talented ms. brainforest. yes, you should be jealz.).
pros:
1. gives me time to flirt a bit during dinner and assess my chances.
2. it's rosh hashanah! i of course don't give a shit and basically would have forgotten had brainforest not given me a honey cake last night, but...he's a south african anthropologist who studies the relationships that zulu tribes have with their dead. what do you really think he knows about jewish culture?
ie if i make him think that turning down honey cake on rosh hashanah would be some kind of sin or, at the very least, extremely rude, he would feel obliged to come over...right?
@sc: how come all the men always suggest nakedness?
my friend's husband did the same thing tonight.
"excuse yourself to go to the bathroom and come out with nothing on."
yeah. really helpful.
frankly, getting him to come back to my apt is the tough part so that is pretty much what these plans are aimed at.
the rest, well, is up to me and my (finely honed, at this point) skillz...
@catlady: If you're looking for a no-fail strategy, that's the one. Unless he's gay, and even then...
Eat everything raw and claim that your tribe hasn't ever cooked food? I guess the anthro types go for that.
@fuz: somehow my being a jew and us going out for pastrami just doesn't seem to work w/that plan...
Jesus, I hope the guy realizes how much he's apparently worth. This is straight out of a teen movie territory.
I think that if the anthropologist does not return to your apartment for honey cake and does not expect anything more than honey cake after receiving such an invitation from a beautiful woman, he might be too crazy to bed.
And I agree with Art. Cutie, you seriously do not need to work this hard.
Happy anthropologist bedding, though. That seems like a good and sweet way to kick off a good and sweet year, as we say.
Hasn't the "tell people you're leaving the country" technique been working pretty well lately?
@centro: it's been working really fucking well with everyone except the anthropologist, who is very angsty and a bit of a complicated case and therefore my own angst in dealing with him...
@art & bse: i agree with you and yet have allowed myself to get all caught up and teenyboppery about him/this.
the fact is i am clearly more invested in him than the other people on my list. that is why i am worried and anxious and insecure.
but you are right. i'm sure he's not worth all the angsting. i'm just doing it anyway.
whatever happens, or doesn't, will happen -- or won't.
in any case, be secret, your last thought was best. i like it.
and am going to focus on a good and sweet evening!
ps @ val: he's a year or two younger than me and cuter than he thinks he is. we dated briefly last year. (more deets available in previous anthropologist-bedding threads...)
last thought from my wise friend wendy (who is the originator of plan a):
It is not so much about not wanting you. He WANTS you alright, or he would not be hanging out with you. But there is the issue of timing, etc. And maybe he is just one of those guys that actually thinks about it and has feelings about it that might be complicated for him. How HUMAN!!
sigh. just my luck. it's what i get for liking complicated boys, clearly. well...wish me luck!
So he's too old for me to scape off the sidewalk when you grind his heart under you heel. That's okay! Is tonight the night?
@j: perhaps the former might work better than the latter...
time will tell.
@val: yes, tonight! and yes, methinks you need a significantly younger anthropologist...
@catlady: pffffft. Want me to have a word with him? I'll have a word with him.
i think the denim skirt i am wearing now and a different shirt.
more importantly: my hair looks crappy today! oy!!
@catlady: perhaps "DUDE!" That, with the proper inflection, should resolve it, I would think.
i would pay money to hear you say that...with the proper inflection, of course.
step 1 accomplished: emailed anthro boy to change dinner time to later so it will at least be dark out when we meet!
@-j: hmmmm...now i'm thinking: maybe *i* should say DUDE with the right inflection.
as in, DUDE, you know i want to sleep with you, right?
"Dude!" with the right inflection can mean anything you need it to mean. It should work just fine.
dude, that was funny. until i realized it was a bud light commercial and then i confess i was disappointed. but it was still funny.
dude.
You know where I'm from. Beer commercials are our preferred mode of communication <3
@catlady: no, YOU call Bud Light beer. We north-o'-the-49thers have somewhat different standards.
@j: well, so i would have thought.
@val: it's actually been HOT again. i'm walking around in sandals and a tank top today. it's a bit too cool for that, really, but i didn't feel the need to put on my jacket during my walk during lunch hour.
not to worry, though, 'twill be cold when you get here. and we will snuggle!
ok, kids: think good, anthropologist-bedding thoughts for me in two and half hours, please!
merci, make art.
you always think good, anthropologist-bedding thoughts? well, hmmm. this time think them for ME, okay?
That's who I think 'em for. I have no affinity for anthropologists OR jesus-boys, despite what you may have heard.
all i've heard i've heard from your own mouth.
or at least from what appeared to be you over the internets...
just sayin'.
We still don't have proof that J isn't a bot, even. So I have to agree with him there.
i am back...the anthropologist just left...
y'all have to help me figure out what the rules of the list are, though...
well, rules on whether i can now check him off the list or not...
he was naked in my bed. so i 'bedded' him. but not, uh, technically. he's too angsty and inhibited for that, apparently.
it was fun while it lasted, though. and he gave me a very nice back massage.
@centro: thanks for totally making me laugh.
well, he said before he left 'let's have lunch this week.' i suppose i could make time for another date with him but i'm not sure he'll be up for it. he kept telling me how 'complicated' it was. or i was. or something. 'complicated, complicated.' he said it a lot.
Jee-sus fuckin' Christ.
Couldn't get laid (not you, obvi) in a whorehouse festooned with $100 bills.
How old is this guy again?
How complicated can it be? You are obviously willing, certainly capable, not looking to tie the boy up for any substantial length of time, haven't set your cap for him.
idgi
well, apparently he is a boy who does not do casual sex.
i know, did you know they actually existed?
I was like that until about the age of 23 or so.
I dunno if you could say I outgrew it, but...
I just find it singular, considering his age, your willingness, and the efficacy of contraception.
i don't think contraception has anything to do with it though. with this guy it's pure angst.
anyway, to re-quote my friend wendy, who turned out to be pretty much on the money:
And maybe he is just one of those guys that actually thinks about it and has feelings about it that might be complicated for him. How HUMAN!!
There's nothing wrong with having those sorts of feelings, it just seems like if one desires simplicity in these matters, it's best to keep one's pants on to begin with.
well, i think the desire for simplicity and the desire for sexual contact are all too often at odds with each other...
sometimes there is a struggle. only one will win out. except not. because simplicity will have compromised herself along the way and become complicated.
which i guess is your point. once you've gotten it complicated enough to take your pants off, why try to go back? you can't go home again.
I think a man who will get naked in your bed and not put out is seriously not worth any effort. If you're not going to put out, keep your fucking pants on.
catlady: Exactly. In for a penny, in for the plunge, as it were.
Set your cap for him is that you want to get all married up and stuff. It's hillbilly talk.
set your cap at or for somebody: to try to attract somebody, especially with a view to marriage (dated)
I think this guy is more scared of getting "hurt" than he is desiring of your ... uh, charms.
I always thought Froggie was a real stud, what with all that ridin'. Uh huh.
I second Oom and SS's sentiments.
1. Are you sure this guy's straight?
2. Is he?
I don't buy the "complicated" "I don't do casual sex" thing. This is a man who either doesn't know how to enjoy himself or doesn't want the kind of enjoyment you're offering. There are more deep seated issues at play here, or some colossal angst problem. Either way I sincerely hope this show of "feelings" has not in any way increased your desire for this man. Frustratingly and unintentionally celibate as I am his, shambolic handling of this situation is frankly offensive to me and any encouragement or reward deriving from it would be like a slap in my face.
don't worry, make art, he is not being rewarded for his behavior. my desire has most definitely lessened. and yes he clearly has some issues with intimacy and things of that nature. and possibly colossal angst. and those things made it very difficult to enjoy being with him when he so clearly wanted to be with me but just as clearly seemed to feel the need to fight against it and his own desires.
sigh.
ah well.
i guess i predicted this but you guys were like, 'what guy could possibly be so angsty as to turn down nsa sex w/a woman he is clearly attracted to?' answer: the anthropologist. check.
is he the sort of anthropologist who's all into evolutionary psychology? because i would consider that a bad sign.
seriously, though, he sounds like way more trouble than he could possibly be worth.
Maybe he is a terribly emotional boy.
Having sex with someone makes you feel even more connected so if a relationship isn't possible perhaps he is just trying to save himself some hurt feelings.
@Ghostie: that's a very sweet, generous interpretation. one i never would have thought of.
I'm such a sap.
I always sort of though I was the kind of girl who could run around and have sex with any boy I please and never speak to them again.
Heh. I'm not. Not everyone *can* do that.
It doesn't seem liker yer letting this get to you Mizz Catlady. 'Tis a good thing. But do be nice him still.
@ghostie: actually i think you are pretty on target and
@strangerbox: i find it really interesting that would never have occurred to you.
oh, and thank you, ghostie. yeah. it is what it is. obviously i couldn't be too invested in the first place given that i'll be gone in a month and have no idea if i'd ever see him again.
(yes, i hear you boys..."and he *didn't* want to sleep with you? yeah. seriously something wrong with this guy.")
ps i am still being nice to him and probably moreso than anyone else on here would have me do.
@sb: also, he's not into evolutionary psychology, but what's your issue with that? (it's not something i know really anything about, but...i'm curious about your opinions since they seem to be strong.)
This has literally nothing to do with me!
In any case, the guy just seems to have a lot to deal with (as many of us do). Unless you feel that he was deliberately or maliciously misleading you (and you haven't given me that impression, at least), no reason not to be nice to him :)
of course, of course, j. silly j. i am nice to him and he is nice to me and wants to see me again. in daylight hours. which is probably for the best. though i don't know if i'll have time to make that even happen.
ah well.
Excellent. Good, sensitive boys are extremely hard to come by. Thus they need to be preserved.
I have one and all he does is make my heart hurt for him. I've always liked them LESS sensitive. It's easier.
i am totally put off by a guy like that.
i know i'm a little bit disconnected and dysfunctional, but yeah. if he's all emotional and complicated already?
better not to get involved.
not to worry, pepper. we were supposed to take a walk yesterday and i was too late and he had to teach so i canceled and he never responded to my subsequent 'how was class?' email...
Pepper, generally I am as well. I fuck guys who I am aesthetically attracted to and want to bang, not who I want to hang out with on my couch and talk to and hold and stuff. This is totally weird for me. We stopped seeing each other a few weeks ago and clearly it just ain't sticking. Emotional and complicated doesn't even come close to what I am contending with in this one.
sorry, i got back to to this sorta late... my issue with guys who are into evolutionary psych is that i've been in a relationship with one and been friends with a couple others, and all of them were really angry at women.
well, that is really interesting, sb. sounds like more than coincidence, yes.
i don't know, i mean, it was only three of them. but that's enough to make me stay away from now on (also, i happen to think evolutionary psych is a bunch of donkeycrap).

ok, so tomorrow night is pastrami night. after consulting with a friend over dinner tonight i have come up with two possible strategies. wanted your opinions on which you think might work best.