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Letter from one 'Angry Woman.' I don't know who wrote it but she should have signed it. Some powerful words. This woman should run for president.
Written by a housewife from New Jersey and sounds like it! This is one ticked off lady.'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001?
Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ?
Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was 'desecrated' when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?.. Well, I don't. I don't care at all.
I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia
I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.
I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.
I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.
I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.
In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care
When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I don't care.
When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don't care.
When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed 'special' food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts: I don't care.
And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.' Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and-you guessed it- I don't care !!
If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior!
If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great Country! And may I add:
'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem' -- Ronald Reagan
I have another quote that I would like to add AND.....I hope you forward all this.
'If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.' Also by.. Ronald Reagan
One last thought for the day:
In case we find ourselves starting to believe all the Anti-American sentiment and negativity, we should remember England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair's words during a recent interview. When asked by one of his Parliament members why he believes so much in America , he said: 'A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in, and how many want out.'
Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you: (1) Jesus Christ, (2) The American G. I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON, AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET BOTH OF THEM. AMEN!
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lay oale said, (76 days ago)
Harassment. Sve the copy and the date, do not delete it. Forward it to EDD. I shudder to think that people actually send shit like this.
soulcamp said, (76 days ago)
Yeah, I'm with @lady o. This is completely inappropriate, offensive, and would be grounds for termination at most companies.
T.S. Eliot said, (76 days ago)
Wow. She wants Osama to repent. Hah. From one fundamentalist to another.
Linda Busser said, (76 days ago)
whoever sent this letter is a moron but you're still a jerk if you try to get someone fired for forwarding a chain letter
mikkoman said, (76 days ago)
"If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior!"
Oh yeah; I added Osama bin Laden to my buddy list a while back!
lay oale said, (76 days ago)
she will probably get warned and she deserves it.
No one should intimidate you on the basis of what you believe in. That is screwed up.
soulcamp said, (76 days ago)
You would think that people have the good enough sense not to send this around work. But then again, if you would think of sending this at all...
booknutdc said, (76 days ago)
She is my boss and friend but she knows I am a hard core liberal and she knows that i am supporting Obama. I never send her any political emails or raise the subject of politics in front of her because i know we see things differently. I'm just disappointed in the way shes buys into to the fear and hate thing. :(
bizzy said, (76 days ago)
"Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001?"
Yes, racism offends me.
Centropomus said, (76 days ago)
Given that it advocates torturing Muslims, and conflates Islam with Hinduism and Buddhism, it's effectively advocating torturing all brown people. That's harassment.
beccah. said, (76 days ago)
@bizzy: It's a statement of fact, is it not? Were there OTHER people involved in hijacking the planes?
beccah. said, (76 days ago)
Also, islamic is not racist. As far as I'm aware, there is not a race called islam.
beccah. said, (76 days ago)
@centro: I don't see any references to hindu or buddhism... where exactly are you seeing these?
booknutdc said, (76 days ago)
perhaps this message was written in "straight talk"? Scary, hateful, "straight talk"?
bizzy said, (76 days ago)
Beccah, I just don't know how spreading animosity or hatespeech toward an entire religious group (not race, my mistake) could be anything but disgusting.
It has nothing to do with my own political or religious affiliations, which I have been careful not to identify on the internet. If you want to go ahead and label me a lefty for my comment, I don't have a problem with it, but I don't think it's accurate.
Also, if I said blue-eyed people are to blame for the holocaust, it would be just as disgusting, and I certainly wouldn't subject people I work with to that opinion unless they specifically asked where I stand on the issue.
@beccah: "Nirvana", to which the author alludes, is a concept in Buddhism and Jainism, not Islam.
And the fact that Muslims committed 9/11 is no different from the fact that white Christians committed the Oklahoma City bombings. They did that because they were monsters, not Muslims...it is not fair to extend hatred (or apathy, or whatever) to an entire populace based on the actions of an extreme few who happen to be members of that populace.
JasAsian v2.0 said, (76 days ago)
There are several of these floating about, now. Right-wingers have gotten really good at these emails of late.
I'll sharpshoot just one of these, the "what amounts to a college frat hazing" one. It's not "hazing" when there's a dead body that a couple of National Gaurdsmen are carting around for 36 hours like some sick Weekend at Bernie's homage.
beccah. said, (76 days ago)
@j: I don't read it as "hate" for islamic peoples, but rather terrorists, who happen to be islamic. But then, I'm not nearly as sensitive as my internet brothers and sisters, apparently.
Also, just because a concept is associated with a religion, it doesn't mean that the word is exclusively defined by that religion. As evidenced by definition number 3 here (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Nirvana), and number 2 here (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nirvana), and number 3 here (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O999-nirvana.html).
Another example - apocalypse, mostly associated with christianity, is defined otherwise here at number 2 and 3 (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apocalypse), and 2 and 3 here (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apocalypse).
@bizzy: I still think you all (and yes, I'm lumping you in with the liberals) are entirely too sensitive. Were I easily offended, I could say the same thing about some of the rhetoric that is spewed here on gti, and other places. Why is it ok from one side, but not the other?
@jas: I would totally be carting around a dead body if one were somehow in my possession, cuz I wouldn't know what to do with it, and I'm not nearly crafty enough to destroy the evidence.
@Beccah: fair enough...I certainly admit that I can get my hackles up and overreact to things like this without reading them thoroughly enough.
That said, there are at least two references made to "I don't care" about (disrespecting) the Qu'ran, which has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or specific acts thereof. I think that's what made me think it goes beyond an anti-terrorism screed.
bizzy said, (76 days ago)
It's not ok at all. I just defended you to someone on here (not naming names because I don't like the drama), and this is also the reason I gave the holocaust example.
But again, the thing I find disgusting is the insistence on pushing someone's values in a work environment. I recently had to tell my coworker if she could tone down the anti-christian related banter because although I'm not very religious to begin with, I consider it unprofessional to constantly discuss it when your purpose for being there has nothing to do with your personal views.
I'm also torn because I believe censorship does more harm than good, BUT there is a place and time to discuss such illustrative opinions and I don't think it should interfere with my trying to make a living.
null said, (76 days ago)
But again, the thing I find disgusting is the insistence on pushing someone's values in a work environment.
THIS. Regardless of the POV, it's unprofessional and that's what gets my goat.
beccah. said, (76 days ago)
@j: The main point that I take away from this... essay for lack of a better term, is that she feels disrespected and is taking the tit-for-tat road... thus, why should she respect something you do, when you're so clearly disrespectful to the things she holds dear (i.e., the bible, but even more so, human life).
Honestly, my own opinion is WAY more inflammatory than this lady's... which is one reason I mostly keep these things to myself.. but again, I don't see hate speak here. I see anger, yes.... possible disrespect.. but I think these emotions are valid and justified IF you're in the mix of the situation, and as passionately as she speaks, I'd say she is. If I had lost someone in the WTC attacks, I'm 100% positive that I'd be saying things like this, and perhaps, even worse. I think perhaps those who are offended by this (for reasons outside of bizzy's justified ones) aren't putting themselves in the situation, or even looking at it objectively. Again, liberals here spew some utterly disgusting things, which if pressed to do, I'll go find and reference. But everyone just goes along with those comments... either because they agree, or they don't want to get flamed for disagreeing (as is my case).
@bizzy: I agree with you - that you should have the right not to have religon, or even political stuff shoved down your throat at work - but it's up to YOU (or OP) to do something about it... and if you don't, well then, you're just as bad for letting it go on and bitching and whining about it on the internet.
@Beccah: I agree with you 1000% that some hateful prejudice exists on both sides of many arenas and is not acceptable in any of them.
Ethan said, (76 days ago)
By your logic, Beccah, if one entire group does you wrong once, you're justified in hating that entire group until one of them comes forth and apologizes for your hurt? Seriously? I'm not buying that. She is NOT speaking specifically to terrorists. She's referring to the whole fucking Middle East. If you don't find that obvious, read it again until you do.
booknutdc said, (76 days ago)
I don't want to loose my friendship with my boss so that's why I'm gonna stay quite about it. I guess i'm just as bad for it all.
null said, (76 days ago)
A letter like that, while angry and passionate, is not going to get my respect one way or another. I won't relate to it on a personal level; I will not appreciate it on a logical level of pure human solidarity.
Anger is good and nice to have, if it fuels you to exact change. But if that anger about the inhumanities, injustices of the world only incites you to spew forth HATRED, then that anger no longer becomes valid for me. It transcends into something grotesque. It becomes lower than low.
I am tired of all this passionate patriotism that somehow is okay to be expressed in terms of this letter. Time and time again I say - we must be citizens of the world, not just the country we reside in. And that begins with humility, with compassion, with turning the other cheek - all those traits that are supposed to be taught in the Bible (from what I hear).
Ethan said, (76 days ago)
Also, from now on, I'm going to hate all white people because one of them totalled my car in 1999. I'm going to hate all women because I was once dumped badly. I'm going to hate blondes because she was, too, while I'm at it.
null said, (76 days ago)
PS: If she didn't bring religion or total disregard for International human rights conventions into this, I may have been even a tiny bit more inclined to try and understand this letter. She is alienating ME, and I'm her fellow countrywoman. Good job, lady!
bizzy said, (76 days ago)
@beccah: Yup. That's pretty much why I decided to tell my coworker to shut it. Otherwise, I know others even more sensitive than myself would have to put up with it. It was a big risk though, because by standing up against it brings a lot of negative attention even if your intentions are good. My coworker might even start focusing her hate on me specifically since I stood up to her, but whatev.... Anyway, I'm glad you understand where I'm coming from, and I hope for booknutdc's sake someone at her work brings this up to her boss and/or brings to light the fact that it's uncalled for.
beccah. said, (76 days ago)
@ethan: You're entirely too retarded for me to even address, other than to mention your retardedness.
@book: If your boss/friend can't listen to you objectively with this sort of complaint, they shouldn't be your boss or your friend. If you just can't talk to her directly, and this truly offends your sensibilities, then go to HR and make a complaint that way.
@granny: Lovely, nitpick the side that you don't agree with. When I see you (and others) doing that to your own side, then maybe I'll agree you have a right to bitch.
@bizzy: You're a strong woman, lady.
null said, (76 days ago)
@beccah: You misunderstand. I would have felt the very same way about a letter that might be more in line with something I agree with, if it had a similar tone. I NEVER talk politics on this site.
beccah. said, (76 days ago)
@granny: Good, I'll keep that tucked in the back of my head, and next time I see liberal spewing that is disgusting, I can count on you to speak up?
null said, (76 days ago)
If people express their opinion logically and civilly (is that even proper spelling?) I will defend them whether or not I fully agree with their point of view.
Which is why I was riled up by *this* letter. Primarily I got here because it was someone passing this around at work. I have serious issues with shit getting pushed on me in places I don't have control over. (i.e. NOT the internet). I wouldn't have even commented on it, but then I guess I did go off on a tangent.
Ethan said, (76 days ago)
As long as Beccah finds me retarded, I'm going to assume I'm doing something right!
Centropomus said, (76 days ago)
@beccah: "Racism" as we know it is the product of the attempt by slaveowning European cultures to lend scientific legitimacy to the ethnic xenophobia (common to all cultures) used to justify exploiting slave labor. In the rest of the world, ethnic discrimination, harassment, and warfare are recognized as being far more subtle than a 1-dimensional color spectrum. This is why most Americans couldn't tell the difference between the white Serbians and the white Bosnians in Kosovo, and why most can't tell the difference between the black Arabs and the black Fur in Darfur.
In the Arab world, the cradle of Muslim civilization, religion is such an integral part of the culture that an attack on Islam is considered an attack on the Arab people, and is every bit as reviled as racism is here.
As for Nirvana, I agree that the term "Apocalypse" has taken a rather generic meaning, but "Nirvana" certainly hasn't. The example you cite is an allusion to the Buddhist meaning, and it's used in an explicit (and incorrect) reference to a specific religion. You may consider Armageddon to be a generic term, but to evangelical Christians, it's a very Christian term (even if Apocalypse is not), and they would be very offended to see it attributed to extremist Islam.
I'm just gonna ignore the fact that she sent me this even though i'm horribly offended